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The Book of Revelation 


Wrath

The scripture from 1 Thessalonians 5 is often quoted as a "proof" text concerning a rapture.

1 Thessalonians 5:9  "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ . . ."

God has appointed us to salvation!  Much of today's thinking concerning "wrath" comes from reading (actually a shallow reading) of Revelation 16 about the "vials" of wrath.  Upon closer examination, however, it is very easy to see that the Saints will NOT suffer from these vials of wrath.  Let me explain: 

Revelation 16:2 says the vial is poured out "upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."  Upon the Saints?   NO.  Upon the men who had the mark and upon the ones who worshipped the image of the beast.  Does this mean there are those who do not worship and who do not have the mark?   That is exactly what this implies!  Will those who do not have the mark and do not worship the image of the beast have this "wrath" poured on them?  Not according to scripture!

Read the 11th verse:  Revelation 16:11   "And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."  They still would not repent.  Is grace over?  Not at all.  Is mercy over?   Not at all, for it is most certainly a time when God is STILL extending a "space of repentance" to men that they might be saved. 

When we examine the words of Jesus in Matthew 24 and when we consider the Children of Israel under God's protection in Egypt, we should not think that God cannot spare one while punishing, chastising, or even taking the life of another!

Matthew 24:40-42 "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

I'm well aware that these are scriptures that have been used to try to explain a rapture, but they have been rather "misused" and misunderstood instead.  One taken: One left.  Does that imply that God CANNOT spare one and take one even if they were working side by side?  If you believe that my friend, then you must not believe ALL the scriptures.

Exodus 12:29  "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle."

What about the 2nd born, 3rd, etc?  They were in the same household were they not?  Sure they were.  Were they killed as well?  No, they were not.  Would the children of Israel also been affected except for the blood?   Sure they would, but they had the blood applied!  Is God able to take one and spare another even if they sitting on the same sofa?  Sure he is.  He is God!

Examine one more passage that has far reaching ramifications and is quite damaging to the "pre tribulation rapture" theory. 

We read verse 11 of Revelation chapter 16 which mentioned repentance.   In the 15th verse, we have the warning IN THE MIDST OF THE EVENTS to "Watch".  This is the exact same warning Jesus gave from the beginning.  Watch, because I AM coming. 

Revelation 16:15  "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."

Friends, the church is going NOWHERE until the last trumpet, just as the bible declares from the beginning of it's pages.


Now, allow me to return to the Revelation teaching!  Beginning back in Chapter 4 at verse 3:

Revelation 4:3  “And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.” 

John is given a glorious experience in this 4th chapter of Revelation.  John finds himself at the throne of God.  It is of great significance to note that John sees ONE throne.   Revelation 4:2:  “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”  (How many is “A”?  How many is “one”?)  This gives us something to think about. 


John saw exactly what Ezekiel and Daniel saw!  John records in the 3rd verse the description of the throne and its immediate surroundings: 

Revelation 4:3  “And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.” 

Ezekiel 1:26-28  “And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.” 

Daniel 7:9  “I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.” 


Verse 4 continues:   “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.”   We then have a description of the throne and its immediate surroundings in verses 5-6.

The question is often asked:  “Who are these Elders”?  That is a somewhat difficult question to answer and it is much easier to explain who they are not! 

It is often stated that these elders were “raptured” and were part of the catching away of the church (this goes hand in hand with the discussion of verses 1-2 of this 4th chapter.   

I must completely disagree with the supposition that these elders are Saints of God who are “caught up” at the coming of Jesus.  Let me give you my reasons. 

One of the main reasons is simply the nature of the comparisons made in the Book of Revelation.  These elders are never represented as being anything other than what they are:  24 Elders.  In nearly every single passage of scripture that uses symbolism, the symbolism is also explained.   Do you NOT believe that?  Take a look at these verses: 

Daniel 7:17  “These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.” 

Daniel 7:23  “Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.” 

Daniel 7:24  “And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” 

Daniel 8:20-22  “The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.”               

Revelation 1:20  “The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.” 

Revelation 4:5  “And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.” 

Revelation 17:9-12  And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 

Revelation 17:15  And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 

Revelation 17:18  And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

There is never any explanation that these elders were anything other than what they are described to be.  Elders. 


Even when we read of the great multitude that no man can number (Revelation 7:14)  we have an explanation of just who they are:    “And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb”.  There is no such explanation for these elders.  We already know from the bible that Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration.  We know Enoch was taken to heaven and we know that Abraham is there (Luke 16 tells us so). 

Is it so hard to believe that others could be there as well?  Perhaps there are some of the Saints of Matthew 27:50-54 that are numbered among these elders?  The truth is, we just don’t have a lot of information telling us exactly who they are.  


It is quite often suggested that these elders are “raptured” saints.  There is a grave error in suggesting this avenue of approach.   

We are told that we will receive immortality and eternal life AFTER Jesus returns.  1 Corinthians 51-54 tells us this.  Revelation 20:4-5 is very clear concerning the FIRST Resurrection.  The question then remains:  If there is a first resurrection, are there others to follow (there are, but we will cover this later)?   If these are “raptured” Saints, when were they raptured?  They were already on thrones when John got there.  Read Revelation 20:4-5:  “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”   

If the first resurrection consists of those “which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands”, then these elders CANNOT have been part of that first resurrection since at this point in the scriptures, the Antichrist has not even been revealed!


Revelation 6:11 also poses a problem since the martyred saints are included in the FIRST resurrection.  If the elders on the thrones were “raptured saints”, then the martyrs of Revelation 6:11 would have been included in heaven since the martyrs cry out after the opening of the 5th seal.  Now, I ask you:  At the point John sees the elders, has the 5th seal been opened?  Not at all.  In fact, John doesn’t even know anything about a seal! 

Another issue with the “raptured elder” theory: 

Revelation 4:4 states these elders were clothed in white raiment and had “crowns of gold” on their heads.  What does the bible say about crowns?  We know the redeemed will receive crowns, but what kind? 

We do not read anywhere in the Word of God that the Redeemed of the Lord will ever receive crowns of GOLD.  We do read the following verses concerning crowns: 

1 Corinthians 9:25:         Incorruptible Crown

1 Thessalonians 2:19:   Crown of Rejoicing

2 Timothy 4:8:                   Crown of Righteousness

James 1:12:                      Crown of Life

1 Peter 5:4:                        Crown of Glory

Revelation 2:10:                Crown of Life 

These elders had crowns of gold, not crowns such as the saved are given.  In Revelation 7:13 the elders are quite obviously separate from the rest of the redeemed people.


These elders could not have been “raptured” at this point!  Who are they?  There is no specific information to give us a clear answer.  Could they be 12 Apostles (NT) plus 12 Patriarchs of Israel (OT)?  I suppose they could be.  Could they be 24 godly men we’ve never heard of?  I suppose they could be.  Could they be those of the “firstfruits” mentioned in Matthew 27?  They could be.   There is no clear answer, however to who they really are, but one thing is certain:  They do not fit the description of “raptured, redeemed” saints. 

Revelation 4:6-9 gives us a description of four beasts around the throne.   

The first beast was “Like a Lion”.

Second Beast “Like a Calf”.

Third had a face “Face as a Man”.

Fourth “Like a Flying Eagle”. 

It is not immediately clear why these beasts are the way they are, but they COULD (and I stress ‘could’... read that as just one opinion) represent  

All wild beasts of prey;  (like a Lion)

All domestic animals,  (like a Calf)

All humankind  (Face as a man)

All the fowls of the air  (Like an Eagle) 

The understanding of such thinking concerning symbology would be that these are simply the highest order of their “kind”, for example: 

The Lion is king of the Wild Beasts

The Calf is king of Domestic Animals

The Human is king of the Earth

The Fowls are king of the Air 

In this rendering, we would see that they represent Every living creature on the earth that now gives God glory!

This is, of course my opinion, but I have no other explanation for it.  I have often been asked about the “fish”.  Don’t dismay:  Read Genesis 1:20 very closely and you’ll find your answer.   The waters brought forth what? 


In the remaining verses of chapter 4, (verses 10, and 11), we see the elders casting their crowns before the throne and we see glory and honour given to God.

 

 



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